Comments on: Ubuntu/Mandriva comparison

By: ardyan novanto arnowo

ardyan novanto arnowo — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:27:20 +0000

I had seen what ubuntu can do coz i had spent several weeks to adapt with ubuntu 7.10 and the result is….. i stick around with mandriva (right now i use mandriva 2008.0)
ubuntu is based on debian & mandriva based on red hat, according to several trial & errors… red hat based are still the best

By: Zero_Dogg

Zero_Dogg — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:46:49 +0000

Can’t say I’m really interested in a KDE-distro, otherwise Mepis sounds interesting.

By: speedygeo

speedygeo — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 05:15:27 +0000

If you would to try a strong debian based distro that is user friendly too, please try Mepis 7, based on debian stable, Kde 3.5.8, kernel 2.6.22-1build686…

By: Austin

Austin — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:44:48 +0000

Sergio’s post inadvertently points out that our e17 packages are kinda broken too. Why all the -devel packages?

By: Sergio

Sergio — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:08:05 +0000

Thanks Facorat and Zero_dogg for explanation.

By: Zero_Dogg

Zero_Dogg — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:57:58 +0000

Supplementary space used is *never* the download size. Because RPMs are compressed and URPMI only knows of the uncompressed size, not the compressed size.

By: FACORAT Fabrice

FACORAT Fabrice — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:13:19 +0000

Sergio> urpmi show how much supplementary space will be used. When installing a new application, supplementary space used = download size. However when upgrading a package, or doing a –auto-select, you don’t have the total size of download packages. In this latter case, supplementary space used != download size

By: Sergio

Sergio — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:31:33 +0000

You say

“- Although urpmi got improved it still doesn’t say how much it needs to download. Something other distros have had for ages, and that I opened a wishlist bug for in 2005″

What talking about Willies????
For example:

urpmi task-e17
In order to satisfy the ‘ewl’ dependency, one of the following packages is needed:
1- ewl-0.5.1.008-8mdv2008.0.x86_64: Enlightenment widget library (para instalar)
2- lib64ewl1-0.5.1.008-8mdv2008.0.x86_64: Libraries for the ewl package (para instalar)
¿Qué elige? (1-2)1
In order to satisfy the ‘libewl.so.1()(64bit)’ dependency, one of the following packages is needed:
1- lib64ewl1-0.5.1.008-8mdv2008.0.x86_64: Libraries for the ewl package (para instalar)
2- lib64ewl0-0.5.1.008-1mdv2008.0.x86_64: Libraries for the ewl package (para instalar)
¿Qué elige? (1-2)1
Para satisfacer las dependencias, se instalarán los paquetes siguientes:
Package Version Release Arch
(medium “Mandriva Linux – 2008.0 (Free64) – Installer (contrib)”)
galaxy-gtk12 1.0.5 3mdv2008.0 x86_64 (suggested)
lib64ecore1 0.9.9.041 2mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64edb1 1.0.5.008 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64eet0 0.9.10.041 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64embryo0 0.9.1.041 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64exo-0.3_0 0.3.2 9mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64thunar1_2 0.8.0 8mdv2008.0 x86_64
thunar 0.8.0 8mdv2008.0 x86_64
thunar-volman 0.1.2 3mdv2008.0 x86_64
(medium “Main (Official2008.0-1)”)
e 0.16.999.041 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64audit-devel 1.6.1 5mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64glib1.2 1.2.10 18mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64gtk+1.2 1.2.10 47mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64pam-devel 0.99.8.1 6mdv2008.0 x86_64
luit 1.0.2 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
xterm 229 2mdv2008.0 x86_64
(medium “Contrib (Official2008.0-7)”)
brasero 0.6.1 5mdv2008.0 x86_64
e_modules 0.1.0 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
edb 1.0.5.008 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
edje 0.5.0.038 5mdv2008.0 x86_64
embryo 0.9.1.041 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
emotion 0.0.1.005 4mdv2008.0 x86_64
enity 0.0.1 3mdv2008.0 x86_64
entrance 0.9.0.009 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
epeg 0.9.0.011 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
epsilon 0.3.0.008 5mdv2008.0 x86_64
esmart 0.9.0.008 5mdv2008.0 x86_64
etk 0.1.0.003 7mdv2008.0 x86_64
ewl 0.5.1.008 8mdv2008.0 x86_64
exo 0.3.2 9mdv2008.0 x86_64
gdk-pixbuf-loaders 0.22.0 11mdv2007.1 x86_64 (suggested)
gtk-chtheme 0.3.1 2mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64burn4 0.3.8 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64ecore1-devel 0.9.9.041 2mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64edb1-devel 1.0.5.008 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64edje0 0.5.0.038 5mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64eet0-devel 0.9.10.041 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64efreet1 0.0.3.006 2mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64emotion0 0.0.1.005 4mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64entrance0 0.9.0.009 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64epeg0 0.9.0.011 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64epsilon0 0.3.0.008 5mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64esmart0 0.9.0.008 5mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64etk1 0.1.0.003 7mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64evas1 0.9.9.041 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64evas1-devel 0.9.9.041 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64ewl1 0.5.1.008 8mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64exml1 0.1.1 8mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64gdk-pixbuf2 0.22.0 11mdv2007.1 x86_64 (suggested)
lib64isofs5 0.2.8 1mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64xfce4mcs3 4.4.1 4mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64xfce4panel1 4.4.1 9mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64xfce4util4 4.4.1 3mdv2008.0 x86_64
lib64xfcegui4_4 4.4.1 3mdv2008.0 x86_64
task-e17 2008 6mdv2008.0 noarch
terminal 0.2.6 4mdv2008.0 x86_64
80MB of additional disk space will be used.
¿Efectuar la instalación de los 56 paquetes? (S/n)

—So, please explain me what is missing:

I guess that many people (not you, at least you tried to analyze them) dislike Mandriva by default because:

*Is not Debian derivated
*Uses RPMs (it still persists the idea that apt is unique method for solving dependencias)
*Mandriva is not from America, nor was founded by a magnate

By: Austin

Austin — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:19:58 +0000

Mandriva’s #1 problem: drakxtools UI is super crappy. Hire a full time UI expert. And not the previous one you had either. Plus fix the ten or so extra drak* tools that are broken or under-developed. Make sudo’ed tools have same gtk theme as user #1. Make OK/Cancel consistent. Reduce popup windows and wizards.

Mandriva’s #2 problem: no polish. Many things are done last minute (again, lots of drak* changes during rc). Graphical inconsistencies. Not enough in-house testing. Hire some more staff. Buy some more hardware. Do more testing. Pay some high school students or something. Recruit some more volunteer devels. Yes, I said, actively recruit them. No, you’re not, currently.

Ubuntu’s #1 problem: no drakxtools equivalent. Hire ten people to make gnome-specific equivalents to drakxtools if you want your product to work as well and be as versatile out of the box as Mandriva, and yet still have the Ubuntu flair.

Ubuntu’s #2 problem: no PLF equivalent. Tonnes of rogue third party repositories. Hundreds of hacky “how to’s” that drakxtools+PLF can solve already.

By: Frederic Crozat

Frederic Crozat — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:06:31 +0000

“+ Firefox patched to use native package manager to find plugins”

Well, we had that for three years in Mandriva firefox and it was dropped, for no good reason and now, people are saying “look how nice Ubuntu is” :( see bug http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=31869

“+ Very well integrated into GNOME (ie. 3d-effects can be set up in the appearance applet in GNOME)” : I don’t think it has anything to do with GNOME integration to have a 3d desktop tab. Moreover, you can’t enable XGL on the fly (need restart) and it doesn’t support Metisse. It is nice but it requires patching GNOME tools, render GNOME documentation incorrect (why Visual effects isn’t in help) and won’t work with KDE either..

“- Not as well integrated into the DE” : care to elaborate ?

“- Live CD set up autologin by default without asking about it” it is keeping the liveCD configuration. Maybe it should be asked during first boot after liveCD install